The Tarot Podcast with T. Susan Chang

Episode 19: The Relationship Spread

In this week’s Try This at Home! segment, we are diving straight to the heart of the most personal subject tarot cards and tarot readers ever see:  relationships.  We’ll explore what we can and can’t find out, what’s a healthy way to go about asking about that crush, and what you can do once you find out.
I don’t need cards to tell me that you’re going to be trying the Relationship Spread really soon.  When you do, let me know how it goes! You can write to me on the Tarot Podcast Discord server (if you’re a Patreon member - to sign up and support the podcast, visit patreon.com/thetarotpodcast). Or you can reach me through the contact form at thetarotpodcast.com.
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Episode 18: Are Tarot Readings a Form of Synchronicity? with Deb & Joseph from This Jungian Life

There are countless points of intersection between the art of tarot and the practice of Jungian psychology. In this week’s show we welcome two of the hosts of the podcast This Jungian Life, which is essential listening for anyone who is interested in the psychological dimension of dreams, myths and archetypes, and how they play out in our ordinary lives.
Deborah Stewart is a Jungian analyst and Gestalt therapist based in Cape Cod and Sarasota, Florida. Joseph Lee is a Jungian analyst based in Virginia, and he also lectures widely on the Western mystery tradition. Along with their colleague Lisa Marchiano, they’ve been co-hosting This Jungian Life since 2018.
Deb and Joseph joined host T. Susan recently to explore several topics where tarot and Jungian psychology meet. In the first of our conversations, we talk about Jung’s concept of synchronicity, and how a tarot reading may—or may not!—be a synchronistic phenomenon.
 
Deborah Stewart is a Jungian analyst, Gestalt therapist, and Licensed Clinical Social Worker who migrates between Cape Cod and Sarasota, Florida. She is a member of the Philadelphia Association of Jungian Analysts and the Inter-Regional Society of Jungian Analysts. She also is a graduate of the Westchester Institute for Training in Psychotherapy and Psychoanalysis. She is a member of the popular podcast, This Jungian Life, co-author of Dream Wise: Unlocking the Meaning of Your Dreams, and co-creator of Dream School, a self-paced online course in dream interpretation.
 
Joseph R. Lee is a Jungian Analyst who co-hosts the podcast This Jungian Life and co-created Dream School, an online program that teaches dream interpretation. He lectures widely on the Western Mystery Tradition and Hermetic Qabalah. His teaching and clinical work are informed by almost five decades of research and practice with Tarot and other symbolic systems.
This Jungian Life [podcast]: Three Jungian analysts discuss myth, mental health and life
Dream School: An online self-paced course in dream interpretation
Dream Wise: Unlocking the Meaning of Your Dreams [book]
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Episode 17: Five Questions with Benebell Wen + the Spirit Keeper's Tarot

n this week’s 5 Questions episode, we’re speaking with the inimitable Benebell Wen about her Spirit Keeper’s Tarot, which came out in three different editions (the First edition, the Vitruvian edition, and the Revelation editions) between 2018 and 2021. The “SKT” has become an integral part of many readers’ practices, and I thought it would be fascinating to get a closer look at the inner workings of this rich and complex deck and its creator.
Although the Spirit Keepers Tarot is currently out of print, it is an open edition, so we can look forward to another printing at some p oint in the future. In the meantime, if you just can’t wait and are up for investing in a durable non-card version, the excellent tarot artist Jamie Sawyer has tarot tiles of the SKT, which she produces as a collaboration with Benebell,
In addition to the Spirit Keeper's Tarot, Benebell is the author of three books: Holistic Tarot (2015), The Tao of Craft (2016), and I Ching, The Oracle (2023). She is currently at work on the Grand Etteilla Tarot of Thoth-Hermes.                     
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Episode 16: The 4 of Wands in Real Life

In this episode, we examine how the 4 of Wands shows up in the lives of ordinary humans like you and me.
The 4 of Wands often gladdens the hearts of those who encounter it, even though its gifts can be fleeting. When you draw it, look out for the following themes:
Couples & weddings
Birthdays, parties, festivals
Temporary structures, safe spaces, refuges
Respite and recovery
Counting to 4
Venusian things!
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Episode 15: "Should I Ever...?" with Theresa Reed

In our episode on“Will I Ever...?” we confronted the human longing for prediction.  In this companion episode, “Should I...?”, we confront the human longing for advice. Our guest is once again Theresa Reed, aka “The Tarot Lady,” dispenser of advice to countless seekers—and the Old Farmer’s Almanac! Should you ask your cards whether you should do something?  We’ll find out together!
Theresa Reed, aka “The Tarot Lady”) has been a Tarot card reader and astrologer for 40 years. She’s the author of multiple best-selling and award-winning books, including The Tarot Coloring Book, Astrology For Real Life, and The Cards You’re Dealt. She’s a featured writer for The Old Farmer’s Almanac, where she writes about moon phases, zodiac elements, astrocartography, and more. You can find her at thetarotlady.com and on Instagram as @thetarotlady.
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Re-listen to Episode 11: “Will I Ever...?”
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Episode 14: Tarot Backwards

In this week’s Try This at Home! segment, we explore a life-changing approach to learning the cards: TAROT BACKWARDS. Memorizing meanings won’t make you a tarot reader.  Instead, learn how to see tarot in the world around you so that you come to know the cards by heart.
Let me know what amazing connections you make in your own Tarot Backwards practice! — on the Tarot Podcast Discord server (if you’re a Patreon member - to sign up and support the podcast, visit patreon.com/thetarotpodcast). Or you can reach me through the contact form at thetarotpodcast.com.
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Episode 13: Five Questions with Lettie Jane Rennekamp + the Many Queens Tarot

In this week’s 5 Questions episode, we’re speaking with Lettie Jane Rennekamp, the creator of the Many Queens Tarot, a stunning, proudly queer, black-and-white deck. It was originally a Kickstarter deck; the mass market version was published by Andrews McMeel at the end of 2024.
Lettie Jane is an illustrator and artist based in Portland, Oregon by way of Kentucky. Her illustrations are bold and tender at the same time, depicting motherhood, varying versions of gender expression, community, and nature all together. She has worked in both commercial and gallery spaces, creating everything from murals to wine labels, large cut-out paintings and small watercolors.
Website: www.lettiejane.comInstagram: @lettiejanemakes
 
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Episode 12: The 3 of Wands in Real Life

In this episode, we examine how the 3 of Wands shows up in the lives of actual living, breathing human beings like you and me!
The 3 of Wands is a quieter, more cryptic card than its predecessors in the suit. Join me to learn how to unpack its gifts and master its lessons. When you draw it, look for synchronicities in the following sectors:
Leadership and efforts to excel
Altruism and good intentions
Waiting and watching
Sense of awe and natural beauty
Counting to 3
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Episode 11: “Will I Ever...?” with Theresa Reed

Hang on to your hats, folks! In this episode we begin to approach the core paradox that haunts all of us who concern ourselves with divination: Fate vs. Free Will.
My guest is Theresa Reed, aka “The Tarot Lady”.  One of her favorite catchphrases is “The cards tell a story, but you write the ending.” - which makes her the perfect expert to talk about the question that begins ”Will I ever...?”
We’ve all asked this question, because we all want to know what our “fate” is.  Willl I ever...find the job of my dreams? Will I ever...find the one? Will I ever...be famous?  Surely our fate is written in the stars or shown in the cards.  But is it really? Tune in to find out.
Theresa Reed, aka “The Tarot Lady”) has been a Tarot card reader and astrologer for 40 years. She’s the author of multiple best-selling and award-winning books, including The Tarot Coloring Book, Astrology For Real Life, and The Cards You’re Dealt. She’s a featured writer for The Old Farmer’s Almanac, where she writes about moon phases, zodiac elements, astrocartography, and more. You can find her at thetarotlady.com and on Instagram as @thetarotlady.
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Episode 10: Can A.I. Read Tarot? with Mary K. Greer

In today’s “Ask an Expert” episode with tarot legend Mary K. Greer, we ask: Do the compelling human stories revealed in tarot have the same power, when the storyteller is an artificial intelligence? Can the brilliant mimicry of AI evoke real emotions and maybe even real healing in us? Is there truth to be found when we look at the diviner’s dance of chaos and meaning in the mirror of AI?
In short, can AI read tarot??? 
Stay tuned, because two ordinary human, unartificially-enhanced beings are about to do their best to find out.
Have you used AI to read tarot?  What did you think?  How did it compare to readings from a human? Tell me! on the Tarot Podcast Discord server (if you’re a Patreon member - to sign up and support the podcast, visit patreon.com/thetarotpodcast). Or you can reach me through the contact form at thetarotpodcast.com.
Mary K. Greer is an independent tarot scholar, author and teacher who is known worldwide for her innovative teaching techniques.  She lives in northern California, but you can find her at https://marykgreer.com and on Facebook.
[Please note: This conversation was recorded on May 18, 2025. The AI landscape changes rapidly, so some aspects of what we spoke about may have already evolved beyond what we were discussing at the time.]
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